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The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby amt-morbus » Jun 7th, '10, 8:29 pm

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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby setup » Jun 7th, '10, 11:22 pm

Provided "proof" that w3sp cheated at mDd is invalid for me and I can't understand how some people consider it as an adequate proof. I know most of you is probably happy that his times were deleted because your times just moved up. However a simple "innocent until proven guilty" rule should be still respected.

To make it clear, I'm not saying w3sp doesn't cheat. (I never checked any of his demos because I'm not interested in, I don't have tools etc.) All I request is a real math proof. I suggest a method based on statistics of his mouse movement dynamics. Stating "+left, replay software" is too easy.
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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby /cdtu/xas » Jun 8th, '10, 12:39 pm

gund3r wrote:i thought the ultimate defrag question was
"are you really the best?"

f1

i can see no good if wesp got kicked or admitted cheating, maybe it calls for much knowledge on human emotions to explain this:/ but this can never be called the ultimate question for defrag(even can't be called a question), and in another way this should have been between validators/administrators and wesp instead of claims from one side.

also words cannot be proofs of course, no one can ensure what you said(even "cgaz" said) is correct; only serious mathematical analysis based on data from initial demo can make us believe your claim and shut up, which for sure requires very much time and energy... but what are you expecting then? does that really matter at all?

what really matters is we make sure that we ourselves be far from cheating, and i think this is the most essential obligation for us who call ourselves defragers.
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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby AL!EN » Jun 8th, '10, 12:52 pm

parab0la wrote:
gund3r wrote:i thought the ultimate defrag question was
"are you really the best?"

f1

i can see no good if wesp got kicked or admitted cheating, maybe it calls for much knowledge on human emotions to explain this:/ but this can never be called the ultimate question for defrag(even can't be called a question), and in another way this should have been between validators/administrators and wesp instead of claims from one side.

also words cannot be proofs of course, no one can ensure what you said(even "cgaz" said) is correct; only serious mathematical analysis based on data from initial demo can make us believe your claim and shut up, which for sure requires very much time and energy... but what are you expecting then? does that really matter at all?


Good. I don't expect anything. You also shouldn't. I see that my words are just words. I do not wish that but there is nothing i can do about it. And it doesn't really matter now.

parab0la wrote:what really matters is we make sure that we ourselves be far from cheating, and i think this is the most essential obligation for us who call ourselves defragers.

Yes, I'm. People who i know/play/exchange competition also are.

I just don't want to see Defrag becaming next "CPMa CPM" online expierence, when lot of people know that some people cheat (and they used to win most online tourneys) and they cannot do anything with it. That is why i don't play CPM Duels online anymore except with friends at LAN. The fun is most important and share competition with cheaters is no fun at all.
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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby /cdtu/xas » Jun 8th, '10, 12:59 pm

thus as defrag(except team tricks) is almost nothing as head-to-head competing(others influence your performance directly), this topic shouldn't be so hot :roll:

ps: finally know that i have 120+ ingame sensitivity :shock:
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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby |PsY|blumen » Jun 8th, '10, 1:49 pm

CPM itself is the problem, delete it from defrag.

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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby ally is a cheater » Jun 12th, '10, 3:13 pm

i see no proof for anything
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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby ally is a cheater » Jun 12th, '10, 9:31 pm

GIVE US A PROOF!
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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby esc?nebuLa » Jun 19th, '10, 9:52 pm

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Re: The ultimate Defrag Question has been finally solved !

Postby q3a » Jun 22nd, '15, 7:32 pm

A lot of people spoke here already but sadly there's still no proof of his cheating in this topic and no disproof as well :)
Let's try to figure it out again, even tho that much time have passed. I warn you once I'm gonna post cheats, unfortunately it's impossible to proof cheating without revealing the essence of it.
I have a tiny excuse tho, that w3sp already posted something like this.

So, here's a demo by w3sp with the "lowupmove" hack, recorded online and logged:
w3sp_upmove10.zip

Setup did the detailed explanation of this hack, you can read about it here <CLICK>.
Also I attach a replay, which I did myself with those angles, positions and speeds contained in his demo.
pornstar-gaand-cpm-w3sp.zip

And at last, the archive with my demo recorded offline and 2 text files taken for testing from both of the demos.
files2check.zip
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